When you transport them back to their, you know, when they were dating or their proms or their wedding or whatever, you know, you can tell.

Well, you know, Tom, that's the good thing about, you know, one of the most special things I think about cabaret is these people that are Broadway stars or even the best cabaret singers.

When you see somebody on stage in a big production playing a character, it moves you as the story, but you're not learning anything about that person.

You're learning about the character that they are portraying.

But when you get to cabaret, those people are playing themselves.

So there's a thing called the fourth wall, which is like the imaginary wall between the audience and the person on stage that just gets broken.

And you kind of connect more personally with the audience and it's almost encouraged.

They had to make a living

So how do you sort of take a path forward?

Right.

I was familiar with mainly contemporary Anglo-American discussions of death and the meaning of life.

And there was a classic work by the New York University philosopher Thomas Nagel, who's now retired but still active.

It was called Death, a paper, and, uh, he discussed the attempts by philosophers going back to the Greeks, and specifically Epicurus, to convince us that death Being nothing to us can't be a bad thing for the individual who dies.

It could be a bad thing for their loved ones, but according to Epicurus and his followers, death itself, as opposed to dying, can't be bad for the individual who has died because they're in no more suffering, no unpleasant experiences on the secular assumption that there's no afterlife.

So I delved into that material, and then I talked about the opposite, immortality.

... a long time, but have to do it by some means of either hurting or draining someone else.

So how do you s- sort of take a path forward?

Right.

I was familiar with mainly contemporary Anglo-American discussions of death and the meaning of life, and there was a classic work by the New York University philosopher Thomas Nagel, who's now retired but still active.

It was called Death, a paper.

And, uh, he discussed the attempts by philosophers going back to the Greeks, and specifically Epicurus, to convince th- us that death Being nothing to us can't be a bad thing for the individual who dies.

It could be a bad thing for their loved ones, but according to Epicurus and his followers, death itself, as opposed to dying, can't be bad for the individual who has died because they're in no more suffering, no unpleasant experiences on the secular assumption that there's no afterlife.

So I delved into that material, and then I talked about the opposite, immortality.

... a long time, but have to do it by some means of either hurting or draining someone else.