Can you talk about what that was like?

Well, even I haven't received a physical newspaper since probably 2018.

Um, so I'm a, I'm a, I have way too many digital subscriptions, but you know, that's, that's what I enjoy reading.

And, um, so the the real the real difficulty that the news business has had is in how you pay for it and the old print model um was most of the revenue came from advertising either classified advertising which which i have to explain like to a younger generation what classified advertising is so it used to be for decades in this country that If you wanted to buy or sell a used car or golf clubs or a boat or if you were looking for a job or if you were trying to hire, you took out a little classified advertisement.

And newspapers had pages and pages of these very gray little fine print classifieds.

And that's where a lot of the business of the community was conducted.

And then Craigslist took that away in the 90s.

Can you talk a little bit about your work at the national level for The Washington Post and maybe a story that you're really proud of?