So before we play these sample clips, let me ask you the biggest picture question at the beginning, maybe usually that gets asked at the end, but I think you were just starting to lean into it a little bit, and that is, how would you describe what place you all hope that Open to Debate plays in our democracy?

Well, back when we started in 2006, so we're, we're at 20 years this year.

We're celebrating our 20th year.

We've done...

Uh, well, I think we're approaching 400 debates at this point.

Back in 2006, our, our founder, Robert Rosenkranz, um, w- was, was of the view that there was a lot of polarization in public discourse, and that one way to address it would be to put on good faith...

You know, good faith argument in, in which, again, not necessarily getting people to change their minds, but to actually hear, uh, that each side in an argument had real and valid and, and good faith reasons based on their own facts and logic and premises and life experience for taking the sides that they do.

Mm-hmm