So in today's context, in December of 2025, if I was asking you to define adequate consultation, can you help us? What would be the definition?

You know, I think the challenge right now is and we're starting to understand this a little bit more is a consultation looks different.

First, it has to be said that, you know, a consultation then was very procedural, was box checking, was did we satisfy? Are we meeting kind of the intent? of what we're trying to do.

Now consultation is very much, it feels much less procedural and more relational.

It's like, you know, it's okay.

It's building a relationship.

It's not a one and done.

What does it mean when we talk about Indigenous land rights?

John, what's your thinking around that?

Yeah, absolutely.

I think from a traditional business or kind of a Western ideology perspective, there's those distinctions there.

And I think some of the things that the nuances that are coming out now is I think organizations are not realizing benefits, period.

They're not building, they're not developing, they're not growing.

There's so much influence from Indigenous communities on development speed, you know, development effectiveness on all those things.

Managing that relationship and managing Indigenous communities as stakeholders hasn't worked well in the past for business.

And if you're not in there, how would you start? Where would you start? John, I'll start with you and then Trent, I'm going to come back to you because I know Synovus has been at this for a long time.

So could you tell us a little bit about Indigenous Resource Network? What are you guys up to at the Indigenous Resource Network?

So the Indigenous Resource Network is a grassroots network of Indigenous workers, Indigenous entrepreneurs, Indigenous people that work in the natural resource industry.

And then, of course, all the supporting industries, people who support our purpose.

And we have a strong purpose to see, I think, greater Indigenous participation in the resource sector and to realize the full value of that for everyone.

We started the network about five, six years ago, really a loose collection of Indigenous people working in the sector who had deep experience in the sector right across value chains, internal to organizations, external, through supply chain.

And through conversations, we were just tired of seeing, you know, constant representation and constant media attention on the sensationalization of Indigenous participation resource development.

We just felt that wasn't useful.

Is your target audience or say if you're a member, is this Canada wide or is it more specific?