And historically, before these changes were proposed and went into effect, what was the benefit? What was the idea behind keeping federal access limited and having states have the majority of access to this type of data? Was there any other reasons beyond making sure that sensitive data is protected and only under state control? Or was it kind of to prevent federal overreach in this way?

I think it's both.

Again, a fundamental principle of privacy protection and what's called the fair information practices is minimization, data minimization.

So you don't, as an entity, collect personal information that is not necessary to perform some sort of legitimate defined function.

And there are other restrictions that go along with that.

But bottom line, the federal government does not have an operational need to acquire this personal information.

And that's been true for decades.

And if this legal challenge succeeds, what precedent do you hope it sets in terms of this administration going forward to continue trying to access state and local agencies' data for public benefits programs? And especially in the age of AI, do you think some of the privacy acts need to be updated to include protections against these new emerging technologies?