How do you think about, as a collector who's been around and seen the whims of the market ebb and flow, how do you think about identifying the good stuff?

I think, I think I can divide that into two, uh, folders, two categories, Tony.

Uh, the one thing about the good stuff is what we just talked about, which is condition and originality.

Um, I love to buy watches that, uh, are almost unused.

So condition and originality is part of what the good stuff is, and that's, that's a quantifiable thing.

The qualitative thing about that is, you know, good stuff is what people like, what the market likes at the time.

Um, I know people who have collected Cartier for a long time and, you know, they kept their great Cartier pieces through the slump of Cartier when everybody wanted big, fancy watches.

Uh, am I kind of right in capturing that? And if so, what, what is it about the Hamilton 992B specifically?

Would you say that there's a component of self-education that partly NAWCC provides, fellow collectors provide, these various events that we end up going to, they provide some firsthand knowledge, expertise, compare, contrast? To what extent is a collector perhaps more knowledgeable than just a hoarder?

Well, again, I've got to be careful because the organization is, you know, I strive to make everybody happy, even though I know it's so I make myself unhappy in doing that.

The money thing is interesting, too, because I think that even people who say that the money part of it and the value of their collection doesn't mean anything to them, usually wealthy people, but sometimes not.

They think about the value of their collection from time to time.

So I would say that there are two kinds of hoarding.

There is the hoarding of the wealthy person who, as you said, just can go out and spend as much money as they want on anything.

And it's about having the object.

And then we'll talk about your special twist en route to that.