What did it do for you to be with other men who are willing to be vulnerable and to be given a space in which you could be vulnerable?

Yeah.

It would equate to you jumping into a pool in the deep end for the first time and your dad's there saying, don't worry, I'll hold you, I'll catch you.

And that's the thing that I felt there was such sincerity about.

that whether it's a guy from New Zealand, South Africa, Georgia, Sweden, it didn't matter.

It was just like, And I suppose I can get spiritual about it, but the fact that there were so many cultures, age groups from different parts of the world that were all united with a common thread was, that's so God.

I mean, I don't think there's a church organization out there that could pull something like that off and that was totally organic.

yeah