John Cald- John Caldwell.

Thank you, Chief Justice, Justices.

Uh, the AGBC is taking the position that, uh, the McDonald, uh, standalone safety power, uh, safety search power, uh, should be, uh, clarified, uh, and the McDonald case should be, uh, essentially distinguished from, uh, typical searches, uh, under Mann incidental to investigative detention, as well as a situation, uh, in a public place where an officer has a reasonable suspicion of possession of a weapon, uh, but the person is not yet detained.

The, um, the, uh, AGBC, uh, emphasizes the long line of case law, uh, from the Court of Appeal for British Columbia, uh, that has recognized the importance of officer safety.

Uh, in particular, it has also recognized a series of cases that there doesn't have to be a, uh, an overt, uh, indication of violence, uh, from, uh, a detained suspect in that context before, uh, reasonable suspicion, uh, for a, uh, uh, a search for officer safety, uh, can, uh, be justified.

Uh, one of the, the concerns besides the potential for confusion, um, with using a term like imminent and particularly a requirement for imminent harm, uh, is that i-in the AGBC's submission, that is inimical to, uh, the understanding of, uh, what is to be accomplished from, uh, searches, uh, under Mann.

Uh, and the imminent harm, uh, requirement, uh, in the AGBC's, uh, submission is, is something that should be confined to, uh, a situation like, uh, McDonald, where there's a home, there's private property.

John Cald- John Caldwell.

Thank you, Chief Justice, Justices.

Uh, the AGBC is taking the position that, uh, the McDonald, uh, stand-alone safety power, uh, safety search power, uh, should be, uh, clarified, uh, and the McDonald case should be, uh, essentially distinguished from, uh, typical searches, uh, under Mann incidental to investigative detention, as well as a situation, uh, in a public place where an officer has a reasonable suspicion of possession of a weapon, uh, but the person is not yet detained.

The, um, the, uh, AGBC, uh, emphasizes the long line of case law, uh, from the Court of Appeal for British Columbia, uh, that has recognized the importance of officer safety.

Uh, in particular, it has also recognized a series of cases that there doesn't have to be a, uh, an overt, uh, indication of violence, uh, from, uh, a detained suspect in that context before, uh, reasonable suspicion, uh, for a, uh, uh, a search for officer safety, uh, can, uh, be justified.

Uh, one of the, the concerns besides the Potential for confusion, um, with using a term like imminent and particularly requirement for imminent harm, uh, is that i-in the AGBC's submission, that is inimical to, uh, the understanding of, uh, what is to be accomplished from, uh, searches, uh, under Mann.

Uh, and the imminent harm, uh, requirement, uh, in the AGBC's, uh, submission is, is something that should be confined to, uh, a situation like, uh, McDonald, where there's a home, there's private property.

[clears throat] Madame Fernando Belton.