Parenthood, it's a terribly onerous responsibility because you've got this malleable person that is going to come out wonderfully well

or not.

I think that the secret – I mean, as we were talking about this young lady, I think the secret really is to ensure that the home life has stability and also a little bit of friction, you know, creative friction.

I always question my kids.

My kids question me.

And I think it's always great being able to sit around the kitchen table and have these debates.

I came from a home that was full of those political arguments.

Everything was competitive.

Parenthood, it's a terribly onerous responsibility because you've got this malleable person that is going to come out wonderfully well

or not.

I think that the secret – I mean, as we were talking about this young lady, I think the secret really is to ensure that the home life has stability and also a little bit of friction, you know, creative friction.

I always question my kids.

My kids question me.

And I think it's always great being able to sit around the kitchen table and have these debates.

I came from a home that was full of those political arguments.

Everything was competitive.

You know, Jeremy,

you're just going to fold.

Fold like a pack of cards.

You've got no cards.

You know, and all that kind of stuff.

And that is what the tenor of the book is all about.

But what Trump tends to think of is that he is the most supremely powerful person in the world and no one else has any agency and no one is clever enough to work a way around the art of the deal.

This whole thing was about not letting them have the bomb.

You know, Jeremy,

you're just going to fold.

Fold like a pack of cards.

You've got no cards.

You know, and all that kind of stuff.

And that is what the tenor of the book is all about.

But what Trump tends to think of is that he is the most supremely powerful person in the world and no one else has any agency and no one is clever enough to work a way around the art of the deal.

This whole thing was about not letting them have the bomb.

And he seems to think that that is a contained situation and it's not

really a war.

Well, OK, let's step back from there.

It's true to say these are all negotiating positions and the Americans are trying to get the upper hand over the Iranians and the Iranians are trying to get the upper hand over the Americans.

But the fact of the matter is...

While they're playing these games, the oil and the fertilizer and the plastics are not flowing out of the Gulf.

So, I mean, if it were any other part of the world, say somewhere off the African coast or somewhere off Latin America, no one would give two… worries about X, Y, and Z happening.

This whole thing was about not letting them have the bomb.

And he seems to think that that is a contained situation and it's not

really a war.

Well, OK, let's step back from there.

It's true to say these are all negotiating positions and the Americans are trying to get the upper hand over the Iranians and the Iranians are trying to get the upper hand over the Americans.

But the fact of the matter is...

While they're playing these games, the oil and the fertilizer and the plastics are not flowing out of the Gulf.

So, I mean, if it were any other part of the world, say somewhere off the African coast or somewhere off Latin America, no one would give two… worries about X, Y, and Z happening.

This whole thing was about not letting them have the bomb.