So after more than 45 years working across food production, FSQA, training, auditing, what lessons or perspectives did you most want to pass along as a mentor? And were there things that you learned from the mentees in return?

What I will share is the gray hair is well earned here, as you shared.

I've been doing this for a while.

But it really has been only at this these last few years of my career that I've begun to understand the impact.

of our culture and the mindsets of our workforce.

I have seen longstanding problems in the industry and we continue to have recalls, we continue to have food safety problems in the industry.

And I am passionate about the idea that we cannot go after this with our traditional approach, with yet another program, yet another HACCP program.

So I think that's been a really core aspect of, you know, certainly this program, but I hope just mentorship, broadly speaking, as a concept, right, and something that, you know, professionals of all ages really benefit from.