Yeah.

Okay? So let's assume that, you know, we're, we're not doing groundbreaking, industry leading, hyper-relevant research.

The question shifts from, okay, that, that's great, but how can I use that? What did I do in there other than the pure research that demonstrates that I get it in the environment that I want to be in? Okay.

So one thing that, um, I, I've seen with the people that I've helped move from PhD to, to industry is to take a deep dive into the real story behind the PhD, because it's not necessarily the publication that a prospective employer is interested in.

It's probably more around how did you collaborate with people.

One guy who I was working with recently who's, who's just found his first job in industry, um, none of this was on his CV, and it, it took us a while for him to, um, share this with me, but he said, "Oh, actually the...

I didn't have enough funding for the equipment that I needed, so I really needed to, you know, beg, steal, and borrow to get things that were gonna enable me to complete the research." And the interesting part of his story was, well, how did you do that? And it was, well, you know, I, I literally had to try to use contacts, build new ones, find new links to industry, you know, ask very nicely if I could, you know, borrow this for a, for a day or come in and do this, and then I'd share the results, and then everybody would move forward together.

Yeah.