[laughs]

"That sounds like a lot of suffering." Um, but I had gotten off Rainier, um, and a guide friend of mine was just raving about Denali, and I really liked him on Rainier.

I did Rainier guided, the Couch Route.

Um, and he had raved about, um, Denali.

He said, "It's such a good time.

It's, like, the best thing.

You gotta do it.

[laughs]