so sorry we kind of went on a tangent no no no you're good but how did JSD begin and when did it start becoming like a business

yeah so I mean I guess I could take it back to when I was like a kid right I always I always I remember always drawing I was really big into WWE when I was I mean I'm still into it now but not as much as I used to be when I was a kid and I remember trying to draw my favorite wrestlers on a piece of paper and like trying to, trying to design championship belts.

Right.

Like it's what I want this about being, give it some crazy name and all that stuff.

And I remember my mom got me one of those, uh, it was like, uh, essentially a sheet of paper, just quadruple the size, like a, like, like a canvas size thing that had like a hundred sheets on it.

And you can draw like portraits on it.

And just, I don't know, throughout my whole life, just, I didn't take drawing too seriously until I guess my college, not even, I guess high school, I did art for a year and it really pushed me.

Um, how did that come? Yeah.