Like, tell me everything.

Okay.

All right, so we'll side tangent this one, is, uh, we- Lowell Tilly was one of the, he's a really old member of the Louisiana Bonsai Society, and he has a heart for just teaching more people about the, the, the, the hobby, and really loves it.

And so his, he started several years ago kind of, I'll say for- informally partnering with Burden, and they allowed him to set up a couple temporary stands.

He put some of his own trees on display.

Kind of just kind of bootstrapped it, right? Just did whatever he could to put, to put this out into the world.

And, uh, through the t- course of time, couple years h- go by, he, it's, it's working, but it's, it's mediocre trees.

And so I'm wondering if you can talk through some of those discrete points in your journey so people can, A, like see where they're at along that, and B, understand like what might be the next thing they need to do if they're, like from where they are right now.

Yeah.

Because I mean, I, I do understand feeling frus- Like, I gave up on direct media cr- media criticism a few years ago 'cause it was the same fucking thing over and over again, and I just, I felt like the onus was on the reader to just clock this by now.

I can't keep saying, "This is propaganda." But the reality is that's not good enough on my part.

I do need to keep saying that because it will keep happening.Totally. Yeah, look, I just want to add one thing.

Like, sorry, Joe.

Uh, the s- the center left is sort of trapped in this, like, Howard malaise.

I mean, Romeikis has written recently about Howard, uh, real- really well, and he's the guy that put us all to sleep.

They're just doing other nefarious, um, shenanigans, and this time in relation to wage theft and then, um, trying to shut down reporting on that.