This track met me at a time when I was just starting to kind of open up

from a childhood of you know, listening to some punk music and, and arrowing into kind of a jam band territory.

And, um, this is a safe space.

So thank you.

Um, no, I was like deeply into, into fish and Medesky Martin and wood and, um, was just starting to discover things like John Zorn.

And, um, that actually, that was a world that kind of, uh, somehow was available to us in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.

Uh, and, um, I knew that there was more to discover behind that, behind the avant-garde, the current state of New York downtown avant-garde music.

I don't want to think no. Um,