to some degree but also it can be just the most incredible powerful tool um and uh and things change when people start businesses so joe welcome to the business reboot podcast that's gonna be so fun okay so tell us a little bit about your story for people who are not in athens because our listenership is kind of all over the country we probably got like one random listener in germany so hello But tell everybody, we talked a little bit beforehand about how you started your business, but I love, love, love that it really started because you knew you couldn't fit into a mold that everybody else was telling you to fit into.

Okay, cool.

So when I was 13, I got my first restaurant job.

We ate this restaurant in Gatesville all the time called Dylan's.

And it is no longer with us, but we went there so much and I just like loved it.

And the owner asked if I would come be a cashier and edit this event that he did.

And so I did it.

But we just want to kind of like come back to that idea of when did you know or when did you feel like you had made it? through all of the triumphs and the tribulations and the success and the learning, was there a determining factor or was there a turning point where you were like, okay, we've come through the hard stuff and I think we're going to be good?