Do you want to tell us a little bit about why on earth you did that?

Yeah, we've got this other, the other, it's really about this conference, the AI DevCraft conference.

And it's, podcasts are a really great place to kind of dovetail into what a conference is doing.

So for people who may have listened to the other podcast with the other conference that some of you guys were on, the ng-conf one, It's a great place.

Podcasts are just a really nice place to have things going on, more topical content.

Like a conference wants to deliver content, but it usually only delivers it once or twice a year, right? Whereas a podcast could deliver all the time and be more topical, be more...

up to date.

Tell us how old you are

legacy.

Yeah, let me try to give a fairly abbreviated version of the story.

But I and four other friends of mine were working at a company called Domo.

One of the other co-founders that's pretty well known, probably more well known than me, which is Aaron Frost was one of them.

And so there's five of us.

And one of those people was named Kip and he was running a local in-person conference here in Utah.

And I had helped organize that for a couple of years.

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