You started as a teenager washing pots in New York City.

I, I didn't know you knew that, but yeah.

My first, uh, my first job in a kitchen was I was 16.

Uh, I lived in Brooklyn, but during the summers we, uh, upstate New York was kind of our, uh, summer, summer spot, and I think you had to be, I think you had to be 18 to work, and I remember lying saying I was 16.

Back then you could get away with that.

I've kinda stayed in kitchens ever since.

I'm, uh, good friends w- with, with Anthony Flynn, who's the, the, the director over there, CEO, and he said, "Joe, you know food.

Okay.