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Joe Abah

Nigerian governance and public-sector reform expert; Vice President & Country Director of DAI Nigeria and former Director-General of the Bureau of Public Service Reforms (2013–2017).

Aug 17, 2026

16:53
Can you share your perspective on this?
16:56
I think the biggest risk to my mind and this is not just in Nigeria, it's right across the world, is where democracy doesn't deliver public goods.
17:08
And by public goods, I mean that our constitution says that the welfare and security of the people shall be the primary purpose of government.
17:18
And so when democracy doesn't deliver the welfare and security of the people, it is greatly at risk.
17:27
just like has been demonstrated with the, you know, military interventions in many West African countries of late, Burkina Faso, I think Mali, a few others, because the people have felt that, okay, we've been doing this democracy thing.
17:48
It hasn't really improved our lives.
17:50
It hasn't really made a difference in our lives.

7 MINS LATER

24:55
So how do you, even though that was not highlighted, how do you see the role of social media and AI in conversations around democratic resilience? Out of the script, but sometimes some of these things don't lead to it.
speaker_0HOST
9:36
political party doesn't matter.
9:38
Yeah, so in fact, I believe I was the only serving member of the Jonathan government that was invited to the APC policy dialogue that took place.
9:47
place a week before they took power.
9:50
And I remember having to go to President Jonathan for permission to attend, because we're still in, you know, it wasn't, it was like May 22nd, and the handover was May 29th.
10:06
And the President said, yeah, why not? You're a technical person, and the same hell you gave me, I'm sure you'll give them too.
10:13
So...
10:15
So, to answer your question, I went into government to do two primary things.

54 MINS LATER

speaker_0HOST
64:41
What reforms did you guys come up with when it comes to the NYC?

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