Yeah.

Or just running a not-for-profit until there's some bloody profit, aren't we? I think it takes a long time to get cash flow behind you.

I think a lot of people don't realise that small businesses, especially in the last kind of 12 to 18 months, it's harder in our country to have a small business and there's a lot more constraints and things on you.

I feel like I had more cash flow five years ago than what I have now with the cost of everything going up.

Funny that my management fees haven't increased like everything else, but that's a story for another day.

It's almost like we're expected to go backwards.

Yeah.

Thing that comes up a little bit in my mind, and you don't necessarily have to speak from your personal experience, but again, just what you see with startup businesses, I try to remind them that that they are still a business and that even as a sole producer and a solo owner that the business can pay a salary but should also still bring in a profit and have its expenses and separating the salary and a lot of people don't they just have their salary and don't have their profit and I try to say no your business is allowed to make a profit as well as your salary what's your thoughts around that and what are you seeing?