And did you find that with yourself, or did you find that natural ta- transition, uh, the transition from a clinical s- social worker to, you know, spending second amount of your most time in fundraising to be a difficult challenge?

I [laughs] I, well, it sounds like I'm in good company.

Yeah.

Um, it is not my favorite.

Um, it's not my favorite area to work in, unfortunately, be- because I, it's a huge part of the job.

Um, because at all times you're selling yourself, you're selling the agency of like this is why we're important.

And I feel like, you know, we, I came in with this misconception of like I remember in grad school we had two tracks, and it was direct services of being a clinical social worker and the non-direct of like grant writing and the background of being in a nonprofit social work, as this nonprofit social worker, and I was like, "Never.

So, um, where did you get the training and, uh, or where did you get educated to know about those three buckets?