So why is education and learning so important to you? And how have your international experiences in particular shaped your career and board choices?

Yeah, look, I think education in my household growing up was kind of the preeminent value, probably because of where my dad came from and, you know, the fact that the opportunities he got was very hard fought.

He, as I said, he and his brother were the first two to go to uni.

My dad had to work his whole way through uni.

So I think a four-year degree took six years because he was supporting himself.

And, you know, so he grew up, like my dad literally drove the bus to school when he was in year 12.

Like he was the school bus driver in this small town in Alabama.

What were some of your best experiences working in these companies and how well did they set you up to move to boards?