And when no one assumes that they've got the answer to the question, and when everyone is working with this person at the forefront, that is when supported decision-making works.

Getting back to the question around risk, because it certainly always comes up, and it certainly came up in terms of your participants, Ashley, and it's such a great question because we want the best for the people that we support.

We want the best for the people we know and love, and that's really important.

But one way of framing that dichotomy, I guess, between risk and autonomy is to think about it as not in opposition to each other.

So an example, I do a little bit of work in oral health with p- for people with very complex support needs.

I will often have people say to me, "Uh, I can't clean his teeth because he has, you know, some oral sensitivity.

And you say that his will and preference is really important, Jo.

"Have I done everything I can?" Rather than, "Do I agree with that outcome?"

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think, you know, there's some good reasons and some not so great reasons for that as well.

You highlighted perhaps this more, you know, kind of instant change type kind of world we live in.

And long term relationships are hard work.

OK.

And you actively have to work at them.

This whole thing of the spark, Where are you on that? Well,