Before we get into all of that, I'd love it if you could give an overview as to who you are and the businesses that you've started.

My name's Jo Hutton.

I am a yoga teacher.

I've always been a yoga teacher.

Well, I was a child first.

I went to drama school and when I was at drama school up in Glasgow, they basically forced me to do yoga.

So I had no interest in yoga whatsoever.

But for you, what next? What happened next?

... and what you do.

So I've been a yoga teacher for well over 15 years.

I got into yoga at university.

I went to drama school.

Um, and over the four years of drama school, they forced us to do yoga every day.

So they were like, you...

I think the thinking behind it was, if you're gonna have a career in the arts, you need to have a sustainable wellness practice alongside it.

Mm.

Because

if you don't do that, then Instagram doesn't show and then there's no point.

So you can never really go past the surface level with Instagram because you always happen to catch attention.

So Substack was like, well, how can we do it where it's almost the opposite? So it's a place for long form media and you...

everything that you make gets sent out to all of your subscribers.

So it's like a mailing list that gets sent out to all of your subscribers.

But you also get to keep that list.

So I have... my profile element has nothing on it other than a feed for my podcasts so the podcast that we do will now be on there after it goes out so uh yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna spend a bit more time on there i think in the in the coming weeks um so uh talking about audience as well i know that you've you've got that good following everywhere but you've got a book coming out as well so do you want to tell us about about that

What do you mean by that?

I think that the, um, the self-care industry puts a lot of emphasis on yourself, and on the idea that you should have a holiday or that you, you need, that you need something outside of yourself to rest, whereas, um, rest isn't really a thing that you do.

It's a quality that you...

It's, it's like the way that you do it.

So for years, I thought that stress and hard work were the same thing, so I thought that if I was working hard, I had to be stressed.

What do you th- I mean- [laughs] ... is, is this rest?

It's rest if you find it restful.

So I, I agree that the, probably the reason why you like the gym is because we're, it means that you're, you're in your physical state.