Does that make sense?

Yeah, I think, well, firstly, just to quickly come back to the empty nesting thing, I think I had some data on this.

So I think it was in about 1990, 10% of 18 to 29-year-olds still lived in what I would call what's known as home.

But by 2023, it's 45.

That's a huge shift, huge.

I prepared myself for what I saw as empty nesting.

and made that adjustment when my younger son went off to university.

I know you decided to stop drinking yourself, but looking back at those days, what is it that you thought that alcohol was protecting you from?