Mm.

And that is interesting, actually.

I hadn't quite thought of it in those terms, in terms of exposing and presenting Nick Clegg to the country.

I, I suppose slightly differently at the time, and I know this is about the coalition talks, but I remember thinking, "There is no way David Cameron is going to do a deal with Gordon Brown." And Nick Clegg was so much closer, just i- in the look, the approach, the wing of the party that he was in, and I didn't see the TV debates in that sense.

Um, but it's interesting to think of making it possible because of the electorate's response.

Now, I'm also intrigued that you thought Gordon Brown was more impressive, because it brings me back to the messages that they were trying to get across.

Because Gordon Brown, when he called that election, it was, "Don't risk it." Because if you remember, we, I think we had just come out of recession.

So the deficit being the gap between what you're having to spend and what you're having to borrow.

In London itself.

And they were able to sort of showcase exactly what it's like to have a chancellor, a chancellor that most people thought had been pretty good during the Blair years, maybe because it was easier, the economy was.

But anyway, he was now in charge, he'd got his hands on the tiller, all was calm.

And the news channel, as was then, asked me at the very last minute on the evening, could I do the running commentary of all the leaders arriving? Uh, yes, yes, that's fine.

So I sat down in the booth at Westminster where we've all worked, and sure enough, all the leaders come in.

The ones I recognized, thankfully, came in first.

So yes, I recognized Barack Obama and Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel, and then it dawned on me that I was beginning to struggle a little bit [laughing] with who was coming after.

We're borrowing too much to pay for all the things we want.