Mm.

He was a, he was an amazing, amazing, amazing man.

But he, he, um, like I say, he was in Casino and, you know, when I look back now at the trauma that he ...

He was such a lovely, gentle man, and he, I think why he had so many children b- was because of all the death that he'd seen, and he, he, he, he despised the a- he despised war, he despised anything to do with war or, or the army or anything like that.

And I think you, you, you're seeing that, I think you're seeing that a, a ... 'Cause I, I have, I've al- my mother always taught me, um, and me dad, um, try it, try and make people be better than when you first met them.

Um, never look down on anyone unless you're helping them up, and always be kind.

And I always tried to live me life like that, you know? Um, so I always had good, I always had good ethics, and I always had the, you know, them morals, so to speak, you know? Um, but I think when, I think w- when it's sold, when the, the, the perception that you're gonna see the world and all this nonsense, we, we really, and actually, you're gonna be killing pe- you're gonna be murdering people [laughs], you know, and going and doing horrendous stuff.

Mm.