Yeah.

And you, and we'd, we'd flesh it out there, and then we were so clear on what we were gonna do in the middle.

And then during the game, you can then sort of manage your way through it.

There'd, there'd be bits that, that we could throw at each other.

Um, you know, if you were getting tired, I'd be like, "Mate, just, you know, if your legs are pumping, then that's when you're, you're on." Um, and little things like that I think is absolutely vital for f- f- not just the partnership, but the, the whole bowling group.

And we had that in our bowling group for, for a number of years in our, in the teams that we played in.

And I think other, other guys sort of just latched onto what we were doing.

So how long are you going for? How, how long are you, how long?

... inner sanctum?

I thi- I think that's harsh.

I think there is, you know, a- around the little things, the one percenters, I think there is a, a decent amount of attention to detail.

You know, t- like you say, turning up on time.

Um, you know, being in, having been in the practice, uh, the nets that they do, it's, it's full on.

Like, they, they are, for that period of time, that three or four hours, absolutely switched on.

You know, you see Joe Root batting for an hour and a half, working on his game.

Mm-hmm.

How did that happen given the unpromising beginnings?

beginnings?Oh, I think cricket was even- even though I wasn't, like, a stand out, uh, of stand out ability, I think cricket was the sport that I really resonated with just because of the- the team nature of it, but yet it was an individual sport.

Um, you know, spending hours on a Sat- Saturday afternoon in a dressing room with, um, a- a group of guys that were all different ages from all walks of life, I think really opened my eyes up, uh, to the world, so I- I kinda loved that- that experience.

I looked forward to the weekends and playing cricket.

Um, love- looked forward to the evening training sessions.

Um, and then, it wasn't till I was sort of 15 that I- I actually grew a bit taller, started bowling a bit faster, and then, you know, people started taking note and saying, "Maybe there's something there that we could work with."

Mm-hmm.

... could take three, four, five wickets in a spell.