It was, and the Ducks hadn't scored at

all in the second period this year.

Five goals, I think they had.

And you felt good.

And then there was the turnover with Wall and Seeler.

Got their signals crossed.

And obviously that gave the Ducks jump.

To be honest with you, I saw it go in

But

it goes back to where you get drafted, right? And what happens.

And at that time, think about it now.

You got a rookie scale now.

So you pretty much, if you're in the top 15, you know what you're getting paid.

Absolutely.

How many years, what you're getting paid.

Was it difficult being traded every other year after you got traded from Dallas?

... younger than Jalen Brunson.

It, it's just, it's just different because both play under the rim, both have outstanding footwork, both know how to get to their spot.

They play with pace.

Jaden is a little bit different just because of his point guard position, but also the understanding with, with Jalen is that his teammates understand that he needs to have the ball.

They're gonna always defer to him, okay? The makeup with the Suns is a little bit different because you have other players that feel that they can also contribute in a certain way off the dribble and get shots.

That differs.

You didn't hear any qualms or squabbles or anything from the New York Knicks about, well, why does Jalen Brunson internally, from any players, handle the ball the way he does? Why is he always at the end of the shot? Because they knew either he makes the right play with the ball on the pass, or he can make the big shot.

Okay

Right

... go for the puck.

Now, they have done that with young, uh, he's a young player, a very young player.

Uh, there has been kind of a blanket rule that they're not gonna go out after those 30-somethings.

Klingberg, I believe, is in his 30s now.

Um, and, uh, so they're not gonna go that direction often.

However, there did appear to be some interest in John Karlsson.

Bigger

What is the takeaway then from your book? What are you hoping that a doctor would look at this and change, an administrator would look at this and change? And what do you hope a patient would get from reading this?

Yeah.

They're great questions.

So my experience with other colleagues now, and I should clarify, like Vanderbilt is a place where, Vanderbilt is a place where even as we're improving, you know, we've got work to do, but Vanderbilt is a place where we are oriented toward trauma-informed care and being attuned to problems like PTSD and dealing with patients compassionately.

I think we're really good at that, and I'm grateful to be part of that team, but But nobody's perfect, right? Like we're trying to improve.

But when I encounter physicians or for that matter, therapists, allied health professionals, nurses, I raise this issue of medical trauma.

And among physicians in particular, many of them are not really familiar with the term trauma.

Yeah,

Let's go back to you in high school, and I love to ask the guys that played this, your favorite recruiting story from that time, whether it was at one point you thought you were going somewhere else, or what closed the deal for you to end up in Columbus?

Uh, uh, I don't know if it's a favorite recruiting story, but when I came out of high school, Kenny Anderson and I were ranked number one, number two in our class.

Now, again, Shaq was in our class, but Shaq couldn't participate in the Nike camp, five-star camp, any of those camps to get ranked because he was in Texas.

Okay? He got his notoriety as we got into the All-Star game, Dapper Dan McDonald's.

That's when it was just, okay, Shaq.

But Kenny Anderson and I were good friends.

We took our s- visit to Syracuse together.

So how'd you end up there?

What have you been doing?

yeah sure we've been going back through the history of the operation and seeing where what uh what worked for previous operators and what didn't work for previous operators and we've worked on solutions to sort out the problems that weren't working one of the issues that they had was a grade dilution and the best way to get around to grade dilution is to make sure you know exactly where your ore is as it's not visually detectable so you need to know where it is by drilling so at the moment we're doing a a very large RC drilling campaign.

I think we've drilled about 11,000 metres so far of RC drilling.

So all these results will be coming out later once we're listed.

So the drilling campaign will be ongoing and we're drilling around the top of the pits at the moment and we're moving to the bottom of the pits later this year.

That's one of the main areas.

Then the other area is the recovery in the plant.

What's the difference in terms of the results you'll be looking for from RC as opposed to Diamond?

Let's bring in Jim Jackson, the, uh, former NBA player, Clippers lead analyst What do you make of what, uh, Charles Barkley had to say, that he's stacking his team and chasing rings here?

Well, I mean, a lot of it is true.

He is...

He wants to win.

I mean, LeBron wants to win.

Whether you like it or not, the way he does it, uh, for a lot of older players doesn't make a lot of sense because the mentality back in the day was you played against your enemy, quote, unquote, uh, until you couldn't beat them anymore or they couldn't beat you, and that was it.

I mean, the, the mentality of, you know, he, he's been there, done that.

Yeah.

What do you make of what, uh, Charles Barkley had to say, that he's stacking his team and chasing rings here?

Well, I mean, a lot of it is true.

He is...

He wants to win.

I mean, LeBron wants to win.

Whether you like it or not, the way he does it, uh, for a lot of older players doesn't make a lot of sense because the mentality back in the day was you played against your enemy, quote, unquote, uh, until you couldn't beat them anymore or they couldn't beat you and that was it.

I mean, the, the mentality of...

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, um, I, I would say, uh, I mean, the initial assessment of that, Ant, was that maybe this isn't that good of a draft because they're throwing a lot of this year's picks around, although some of them are next year and the year after.

Um, but the Flyers pretty early on deemed this to be the weakest of the drafts of the next three years.

So that's why they wanted that Toronto pick next year, and, uh, that's why they only have four picks this year.

So, um, uh, so they were, they were on that feeling, and I, I think other teams are too.

You don't trade away the fourth overall for maybe even not a first pair defenseman.

Um, Bowen Byram maybe is a first pair defenseman.

No.

[laughs]

[laughs] But, uh, you know, I mean, those are hard to come by.

But the bottom line is they have, uh, their wingers match up with almost any winger, group of wingers in the league.

So I, I don't agree with this, that they lack high-end talent.

Um, but, uh, uh, so that's what comes along with these people who criticize them for drafting another guy who's not necessarily gonna be a top pair defenseman or a top line player.

Uh, maybe, uh, his ceiling is as a second pair guy.

But you have to have these kind of players to eventually go to where they wanna go.

[laughs]

Yep

...

some of the fans were getting excited.

But, uh, uh, bottom line is, uh, Danny and Jonesy, Dan Houfree, now Toc, have, uh, they've, they've, they've stuck to their motto.

They, they're building this for the long haul.

And so if they don't do anything today, aside from make their picks, um, they have no problem with that.

Um, I, I have total confidence now in Danny after watching him through the last couple years, that he's out there exploring everything.

Interesting, right? Yeah.

He had an experience with that himself.

So I was in New Mexico at a medical meeting and I was stuck on an elevator and I very much felt not stuck.

I felt trapped.

I wasn't there for that long.

I had a panic attack.

There was a psychiatrist on the elevator.

She pried the doors open.

What helps people who are struggling with medical trauma or who have PTSD symptoms? Because I guess in part, some of the good news is that this is very treatable.

I know San Antonio's a slight favorite, but you don't get that sense that they're kind of underdoggy?

I think it's question marks.

You know what I mean? Because i- i- i- the status quo is, like, okay, well, a young team shouldn't be able to make it this far.

A young team, you have to go through the process, which history says that's what teams do.

Boston had to do it when they lost in the Eastern Conference finals a couple times.

Um, the Lakers had to do it.

The Bulls had to do it.

Like, crazy athletic- I mean, they have it, but you're just somehow, some way, you've figured out Rubik's Cube here, and I think that's what's fascinating with Brunson.

... do feel underd- I know San Antonio's a slight favorite, but you don't get that sense that they're kind of underdoggy?

I think it's question marks.

You know what I mean? Because i- i- the status quo is like, okay, well, a young team shouldn't be able to make it this far.

A young team, you have to go through the process, which history says that's what teams do.

Boston had to do it, and they lost in the Eastern Conference finals a couple times.

Um, the Lakers had to do it.

The Bulls had to do it.

I mean, they have it, but you're just somehow, some way, you've figured out Rubik's Cube here, and I think that's what's fascinating with Brunson.

I've had 14 days of Jeremy Lin, and that's about it, all right? So I am going to enjoy the hell out of today, all right?

Uh-huh.

Hey, listen, you know, I'm excited for this.

Mine is more personal because I had the opportunity to cover – Jalen, Josh, and Mikel through Villanova, through their championship runs.

And watch those three develop into who they are.

Jalen was, this is what I love about Jalen Brunson.

Jalen was the number one point guard coming out of high school.

Come on.

Thank you, Jim.

But the, the game might...

Listen, you, you've been around this for, before, especially when you're dealing with series, whether that's hockey, baseball, or basketball.

You gotta win the small battles.

It's in particular when you lose at home the first game when you're the favorite team.

So being able to be more physical with Wemby at home, you gotta take that.

Now, keep in mind that, you know, Mark, Mark, um, Daigneault and the Oklahoma City Thunder understand that the, the same kinda calls they got away with at home against OKC, they're probably not gonna get away with, uh, in San Antonio, okay? They understand that.

Could they, if they got past Cle- could they match up to these two teams, do you think?

Yeah

... and being able to win that game.

It means facing a team like Carolina that checks like they do, like no other team, quite frankly, in the NHL checks, and being able to try to figure out ways to deal with that.

They didn't win any games in the series, but they certainly found ways to make it challenging for Carolina.

They took two of the final three games of the series to overtime.

Game three could've gone the other way if the Flyers had capitalized on some of their early chances.

The last three games were clearly competitive.

But I do think you can point to positions and situations in each game where it's like, okay, yes, they got better here as the series went on.

in in 84 and 87 85 and 87 because the islanders was 84 80 and 84 right

islanders and i mean those teams talk was obviously a big part of that we're all heart and soul right so made for philly and then you had the five-year lapse and then what i talked about then the lindros era and and then passed um And they didn't miss the playoffs.

I believe it was 13 straight years and had two runs to the finals and all that.

So we're back on that kind of swing.

I don't know.

Next year is going to be pressure to make the playoffs again for sure and to hopefully win at least a round.

I mean, you saw how hard it was for Ottawa.

No, I have no

Mm

... that he has a relationship with.Because he's talking about not just that game, but how Jaylen Brown plays.

So this is something that an official told him that throughout the year that they picked up on, that's a tendency that they're gonna call, okay? I don't, I'm not gonna say I don't see, I don't think that that's hard to believe, okay? But in this perspective, it's like the hardest thing to do is, is to officiate the playoff games, okay? And I, and now, I have, I'm talking to an official, a head official, the Orlando-um, Detroit series.

How do you go into this game, and how do you look at it? Because it, it's so physical.

You can call every call you want.

And the official told me, he said, "Listen, the freedom of movement is what's important to us, the off the ball stuff, okay? When the ball is on the weak side of the court, a guy's coming off a screen, how physical is a defender? That's what we look at.

Once you get to the basket, that's gonna dictate...

Yeah.

Mm-hmm

... that he has a relationship with, because he's talking about not just that game, but how Jaylen Brown plays.

So this is something that an official told him that throughout the year that they picked up on, that's a tendency that they're gonna call, okay? I don't...

I'm not gonna say I don't see...

I don't think that that's hard to believe, okay? But in this perspective, it's like the hardest thing to do is, is to officiate the playoff games, okay? And I...

And now, I have...

I'm talking to an official, a head official, the Orlando-um, Detroit series.

Yeah.

But JJ, in a game that so many things went wrong game one, what do you feel like is the biggest thing that needs to improve to give the Flyers a chance to fight their way back here game two?

I think it's a mindset.

I was talking before we went on with Jordan.

I'm charting since I'm not doing the games.

I just sit here and I chart scoring chances.

And believe it or not, after the first period, it was not one-sided for Carolina.

Now, it felt that way to me.

But JJ, going into game two, who do you have your eye on? I don't want to say bounce back effort, but someone that's going to have to make a difference for the Flyers to fight their way back here.

Is that a problem? Should it be its own category in the DSM?

I, I don't know if it should be.

PTSD is certainly a category in the DSM, and anxiety and depression, which are the, the two other primary problems that we see on the heels of medical trauma, um, are in the DSM.

Those are probably the, the three horsemen of the apocalypse, if you will, as it relates to medical trauma.

Anxiety and depression and, uh, [coughs] anxiety and depression and PTSD.

So I, I don't know that it needs a separate diagnosis, but I do think what we need to do, um, a little bit more fully is to recognize that many of these DSM categories do indeed apply to people on the heels of medical trauma.

And I think, I think often because, uh, well-meaning practitioners, well-meaning physicians for instance, because they don't have a, a mental framework for what medical trauma is, they're often not asking a patient after a difficult medical event, "Are you anxious? Are you depressed? Do you have symptoms of PTSD?" Sometimes that conversation takes place right after the event, right? Right after a distressing event.

How unusual is its existence, and what are the other things that, that you work on there?

But I don't know that it's a wild scenario to say, hey, what if in five years he ends up being the guy? Do you think that that's a crazy statement based on what you've seen from him?

No, because he's built for it.

The mentality and how he plays.

The beautiful part about how he plays is that he's putting up numbers without turning the ball over.

So his usage rate is very high, but yet his mistakes are minimalized.

And that's what you have to look at from a young player who's running his program and his team and still making the right plays.

Okay.

Up and down, a little roller coaster?

Where, where is this headed with Luka and the Lakers?

It ...

Well, it's tough, Dan, because we're not privy to the day-to-day operations every day, in practice, the conversation.

So you, you wanna, you want to take pause to that a little bit a- and try not to evaluate everything by what you think you know and see.

Now, optically it doesn't look good.

Optically it was the same thing in Dallas with, with Luka, with his body language at times, with his persistent to, persistence to-Always complain about fouls to the official.

That's always been there.

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