I mean, they are, aren't they? I mean, like PhD level

smart as far as critters go or what? Highly intelligent.

Like I said, when I got my feet wet with these things, all I knew were they were a big lizard.

So I started researching it.

I was trying to, you know... up my game so to speak to figure out how to trap them you know think like they think and you know try to monitor what they were doing and i mean one guy watched he had it in a cage and it scratched on the cage and he opened the door up and said oh you want to go outside and he goes to the door and opens the door and i'm assuming he had a closed-in backyard and then later it comes back and he's i guess went outside and went to the bathroom and comes back in and then it's time to eat and he says all right you know like getting your kennel and he up there and gets in the kennel.

Sounds like you kind of Hold on, I want to go out of lib here.

Do you admire these things? They have some characteristics that other reptiles or amphibians don't have.

Okay.