Let's just start off with, how did you get into this? Like, where did this interest begin? And it seems like very early on, even in college, that you kind of knew that this was something you wanted to do.

Yeah, I've always been interested in alternative medicines and other ways that we can either prevent or treat patients or ourselves without having to use traditional medications, which is typically what you get if you go to a conventional doctor, right? And so I've always been interested in it.

I originally wanted to be a veterinarian, then realized that wasn't going to work for me because I can't give an animal a shot, but humans, no problem.

And, and I, I found that there were actually opportunities in the field of longevity and functional medicine after I had worked in surgery for 10 years.

And I think it's very important to have that foundation of the conventional medicine piece because you want to bridge those two pieces.

You can't completely use one or the other, get rid of one or the other, but it's about how you combine those pieces.

So that's when my interest really began.

Is that something you recommend? Like, what are your overall thoughts? Are there is there anything to be concerned about with those?