Yeah.

I mean, yeah, this is very much the story in the history of depictions of women in both art and literature until very recently.

So a lot of these images of women, and these are really fascinating.

I'm just so interested in these questions that are difficult to answer, like the relationship between representations of women and women's reality and how art mediates those questions.

So one of the things that I was interested in my book is how these ideals of women's bodies related to the way that women understood their own bodies.

You know, these representations which are often again, like with the images of men, very closely related to classical sculpture.

So you see on the slide the image by Sebastiano del Puyombo, which is from the St Agatha painting that I talked about earlier.

So how did that unfold for you?