Okay, Jessica, Vanessa, what brought you-- what was the need that you felt or that brought you to this?

Well, I felt similar in a way that I was at a stage in life where we had moved a lot, uh, for my husband's grad school and for jobs, and I always had little kids to take to the park or to take to the gym, and I felt like I was meeting other young moms, and you know, just kind of naturally had a circle that way.

And we had just made a very unexpected move that we just felt so guided to, but did not plan on, and ended up in Utah.

And my youngest was between one and two, maybe one and a half, and I was at the place where my kids were all in school, and he was not too far away from preschool, and it just didn't feel like the stage where I can go to the park and I'm gonna just meet all these moms naturally, and felt like there were some things that I needed.

I love how you said that.

And I knew that I wanted to get to know certain women better.

There was the mom of one of my son's best friends.

And so we just establish it at the beginning of the month, and then there's, like we said, always a couple people that can't come, but it's pretty established.