Can you speak a little bit about her and what she represented and how the role of women in Spain's right-wing politics has perhaps changed over the years?

Yeah, she was fascinating, right? The sister of José Antonio, who was the founder of the Falange, which is the, I guess, the closest Spain came to a fascist party in the era of classic fascism, interwar years.

And she founded and headed the female branch of the Falange until her death, or excuse me, until 1977, but was affiliated with it through her death.

Her political career outlasted her brother's and outlasted the careers of male phalanges by decades, which begs the question, what's going on with women in Spain? What's going on with women in politics? It's complicated in that Pilar Primavera was very careful not to own her identity, her political identity.

she was very deferential to uh to her brother jose antonio who was this sort of martyr for right-wing spain and then upon his death super deferential to francisco franco who was you know her boss essentially but franco actually you know could he could have fired her um she actually tried to um tried to quit in the 1950s tried to sort of back off of her her role at the Seccion Feminina, and Franco begged her to stay.

You know, this is an interesting moment.

I mean, I don't think that reflects Franco's sort of genuine support for women in politics.

Despite these kind of scandals that are circling around Pedro Sanchez, that the socialists still have what it takes to hold on in the next general elections, which must be held no later than August of next year.