How can they become an IPAC lead if they don't have any background in infectious prevention and control? So how can they kind of bridge that gap?

Well, I think there's a lot of different answers to this question.

And I'll set Deb up for an answer that I'd like to hear her talk about.

But CIVIC has a lot of different ways to pursue certification.

So for some, if you don't have any experience or you're doing a career transition from acute care or from another health care discipline, we do have the AIPC, which is the Associate Infection Prevention and Control.

And sometimes that's a stepping stone to getting your long-term care certification.

And for some, that's the level in which they want to continue their career, kind of that more basic foundational knowledge.

Is there any other certifications that we, or one just to talk about a little bit more is the advanced leadership in terms of how that works? Like I'm familiar with it because I've gone through it and you're familiar with it, you're prepared for it, but.