So how do you reflect on that journey, knowing that it has been the stepping stone each year to get to where you are now?

Yeah, absolutely.

I think, um, 2022 was such a great year for me in terms of I was just a kid, really, and I didn't necessarily have in the frame of mind, like, these are the steps to become an SSN player.

Like, I kind of was in this really interesting place where I was just trying to have fun with my netball.

Like, I was ...

I'd co- sort of made a bit of a vow to myself in 2022 where I was just like, "This is just a year to love netball and to have fun," and I'm a true believer that good things happen when you have fun.

And we ended up having a really successful year.

Have you noticed that he, he tends to do that with you? Is that a part of the discussions you have?