And you can't skip any stage of that, can you?

No, and not in a craft like play-by-play.

It just takes time and actually that's – made me think of another piece of advice that Quentin gave to me.

I remember calling him one day and I was so frustrated and going, you know, why am I not progressing? And it's not just progressing in terms of opportunity, but progressing in my own criticism of my work.

And thinking, I know I can be so much better, but how am I not getting better? And he just said, you've got to slow down.

And I said, what do you mean? We're going to speed things up.

How do I get better? I want to move this along, right? How do I get to where I want to be? And he goes, no, no, no, you've got to slow down in terms of life because you're missing it.

What did you do with your time during those two years?

It's amazing.

Yeah, thank you.

I think I grew up in a footy family.

So I think my family's always been involved in sport and I've got three older brothers.

So I've always been around the game.

And I just think growing up in Brisbane, we didn't go to AFL matches very often.

So I was watching a lot of games on TV and being a 90s kid and And listening to Bruce McIverney and Dennis Kometi, I just thought they had the best job in the world.

That must really make you proud.