Is that what you're saying, essentially? Yeah.

Yeah, I think a lot of schools, when you go in, like when I went into secondary school, I had an idea of what I wanted to do, but I didn't really know what lessons I'd pick for that, so I picked art and DT, DT over engineering, and I actually ended up doing a lot more practical work than I would have in engineering, and a lot of people who I knew did engineering.

Didn't quite understand why, but I'd definitely say the design part of it was a lot more...

It helped me a lot more.

It helped me understand a lot.

So what I'm doing in my engineering course now is actually stuff I did in Year 9 and 10 when I first started my options.

But actually designing something and building it myself, that was really, really nice to do.

What do you think me, Matt and Zoe could do more of to help you and your friends to do that?