Can you please talk about that framework?

Yeah, I can definitely try.

And this is exactly what I wanted to do, right? I wanted to bring leaders to...

In AI, for that matter, we talk a lot about the ambidextrous leader, right? The one that's capable of standing one foot securely grounded in daily operations.

The other foot is more loosely but still grounded in innovation and the speed that the business has to re-innovate or reinvent themselves sometimes, right? And the ambidextrous leader of the future needs something to lean on as well.

So this is why we had the conversation both before and during the Draka Forum around anti-fragility needs something, right? I mean, our management principles, our structured models is quite robust, right? They're built to resist.

And that just means that once you hit that breaking point of it, you risk a collapse of it.

Tell us what works with the CFOs and the rest of