always you can never say they were a marine they are a marine and my father even though his paycheck would come from the navy because they're a department of the navy he would never like to hear that say we love the navy but we are the marines and i always always felt that and i lived it i still live it with my father so it's a good feeling though

Yeah, Joe, you're spot on.

You know, me being a civilian but coming from a law enforcement family and, you know, being very familiar with organized labor also and then being involved with McCleff.

There is that same synergy, like you said, where there's a brotherhood and sisterhood.

They're looking out for each other.

Is the person standing next to me receiving the benefits that they're entitled to? Is the person I'm in a foxhole with, am I there for them? There is a lot of synergy.

as a Marine goes, so does the Marines.

they brutal? Yeah.