I guess, how did that change, I guess, from the first few years to maybe the later years as far as your experience? Well,

you know, when we came in, the camp had been built.

The core buildings around camp had been built.

And when I walked in, of course, Charlie Higgins is who hired me, and we had a pretty good bit of capital debt.

And he said, son, one of the first things we're going to need to do is to pay this off.

So, you know, I came in all full of life and ready to go with programs and, you know, people like Bob Jean McBride, who'd been involved with camp a long time.

I had worked at Camp Mack and also Chaco Springs, you know.

that's right everybody does yeah that's uh there's some some great stories uh and if y'all don't mind not to put you on the spot is there any i know jerry you did obviously a lot of public speaking are there any like a go-to uh camper story or staff story or anything that you have