I

think also there's some structural.

Not into the weeds.

No, but the important considerations are the structural components.

How are they structured? Who owns them? I mean, those that require public support should, you know, sustain themselves and let the people decide the importance and involvement of that.

But like LA City Zoo, owned by the city, you know, there's issues with it.

Like, is that really the right structure for a place like that that has 200 acres in central LA? So I think there's like some structural thoughts that you need to kind of evolve around and what Eric's talking about around the reflection of what it should be and where it's located and what it contains.

I

[laughs]

Uh, so I'm, like, obsessed.

I tell it to everybody, and it blows their minds.

Um, and the, the second question was something that we saw that we just, like, we didn't expect.

I, I think it was la- you know, probably, um, Eric got to film Fiji Island iguanas.

A- a- and that was something that...

That was the first time we, we realized it, it was sort of a, a...

Great.

Mm, mm-hmm.

Um, and so part of what's cool about this world is that, you know, on, on one hand it's like, you know, this character obsession, you know, in this big illegal market that overlaps with criminality and has this kind of true crime aspect to it, but it overlaps with culture, too, and it's filled with these unintended consequences.

So Jake The Snake had, you know, you would- spent a bunch of time with him, but, you know, he had this, you know, Burmese python for a while, then they kept ratcheting up.

Right.

Uh, you can't use it for legal reasons or you can't fit it in, doesn't have relevance.

But I think my favorite was this cop, this, this, uh, this cop we met, uh, with, this guy named Larry Loveless.

It's the top of the second episode.

And he describes w- you know, he, he, he, um, he put this guy away for 100 years, Mario Tabraue, and he describes to us what it's like worrying about retaliation.

... worried, worried about retaliation.

Well, it should be...

So this was, what's, what's cool is that his dad was actually the person, he was like an HR person for, um, kind of the Cuban...

It was at the time of the Cuban, uh, Bay of Pigs, you know, invasion, that kind of era, and he was responsible for taking care of all these kind of Cuban exiles, uh, during that time.

And he would, he was being the one that was going to go in house to house and giving people checks.

Um, so he had this kind of very interesting network of people and had this incredible access.

And so what, what they, what, what has been insinuated is that, you know, his dad had these relationships and knew where everyone was, and knew all these people, and had information that was useful to the government at the time.

Yeah.

Well, I torture Jeremy.

We sit at this table that you're seeing.

Eric doesn't use a computer and for lots of reasons, but really good on his phone.

No, because I'm a dinosaur.

Okay.

Anyway, he doesn't use computers.

I'm not on social media.

And Jeremy, I want to ask you to that front, like how much of Eric's past do you think made this story possible to tell?