How do you approach changing this behavior? Jeremy, would you lead us off?

I mean, I think one key thing I would start with is educating the team.

I think sometimes people don't truly understand, you know, what data you might be putting at risk.

You know, sometimes it's a tool.

Okay, I'm going to use this tool.

So I think one spot is, you know, fully educating so everyone is aware of the risk They're potentially putting the data at, the company at, their customers at.

I think that's one piece I would start with and then start to unpack where is the blocker at? We said updating and modernizing devices.

Are draconian transition deadlines the only way to move forward with a cyber resilience strategy?

What are some ways that you're hearing about from your peers and others on how the attack landscape has changed and what's real and what's kind of noise when it comes to how AI is being used by attackers?

Yeah, you know, I think from our side specifically, we have seen an increase in external scanning and other, you know, vulnerability identification platforms, which is what you would expect as that technology becomes more available and prevalent.

So I think that's one key thing.

Also, you know, even and I know it's been publicized from a social media perspective.

So, you know, phishing becoming more realistic or, you know, all of the fake videos, phone calls, things of that type, I think AI is definitely lended where needing to be much more prudent from a security posture perspective.

When I think about, you know, our side of really how we've tried to look at that is, you know, for the first one, I think it really depends how you evaluate risk.

You know, I think that's been a key moment is looking at your external environment, making sure you're prioritizing, you know, obviously we have those generic risk scores, which are very helpful, but I think overlaying some of your environment specific data.

And are we creating the situation where they're not ever going to be hireable because they don't have experience and that level of experience required for human work is too high for them? Where does that leave us?