But where did you start? So, you know, can you talk us through your research pathway from the beginning until now? So you're not from Australia.

No.

So I...

So I'm from London originally.

I grew up in southeast London, which is a really interesting place to live.

It's very cosmopolitan.

We have a really significant Jamaican and well, West Indian and West African community, which has quite a kind of strong kind of effect on the culture of the place.

You must have some great experience of ethics to go to Zambia and pick up things off the ground and bring them back to Australia.