But can we talk about some of the other stepping stones along the way that got you to where you are now and just things that have sort of shaped you as an artist and as a businesswoman?

Yeah.

So I think I shared this as I was coming or like working through, you know, just prepping for this, that I... don't really look back on many things in the past three and a half years and see them as a, you know, total waste of, of some marketing effort.

I mean, there's definitely, my kids are, are always so sweet, especially my, my girls, they're older.

And they'll come with me.

Sometimes they have come with me in the past when I've done like a pop-up in a local shop or something, and I might sell nothing or I might sell one thing and they're cute.

We'll get in the car and And they're like, I mean, are you okay that you didn't sell anything? And I'm like, yeah, it's, it's actually okay because, and I'll rattle off the things that I might've learned or the opportunities that came from that.

yeah so I'd love to kind of switch gears and just kind of let the audience know what have been some challenges that you've faced up to this point that you've kind of like overcome things you've learned maybe even things you're still dealing with just with growing this business?