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Yes, absolutely.

So the other funny thing about my, my career trajectory, when I talk about it now, I'm very aware that it feels almost like, like the walls were crumbling down right behind me.

So like everything I did is like not something you could do now as a path to what I do because everything has just crumbled.

But, That said, this period piece starts with me as a...

I was a local newspaper reporter for a couple years after college.

And so were you writing your books, your first books while you were at entertainment or was that something after?

So you're interviewing for a scene and you're alluding to it by the questions you're asking, but how did you grow comfortable asking those really inane questions that give us those kind of details that you're referring to?

Yeah.

I mean, it's a couple of things that had to happen.

Something I was thinking about a lot just in preparation for this interview is that the book of mine that I consider my real first book, I can explain that if you want, but I had kind of like a practice book or two for, well, I'd say one practice book.

And it didn't do very well.

And in fact, it doesn't even have, I wasn't even Jennifer Cation Armstrong yet.

And I've just been like, okay, we'll just not, we don't need to deal with that too much.

So just kind of walk us through that, how they were able to finally differentiate themselves and get out from that big looming shadow.

Why is it so important these years later?

Yeah, and actually, I'm not the only one who even thinks that.

Evidence proves that audiences agree.

And I think this is maybe the most fascinating part of the story and a huge reason why I wanted to tell it.

Because when it was on the air, which was 2009 to 15, barely stayed on the air the whole time.

And a lot of people don't realize that if they weren't around slash or not people who paid attention to TV ratings.

um you know they were just enjoying their lives and not worrying about that stuff but it barely stayed on the air which is a super interesting story to tell in itself and we don't really think this way anymore with network you know television kind of on the wane and then when it came on streaming kind of just a few years later it's like goes off in 15 comes back into a new world Because it comes back post-Trump, post the first election of Trump.

So how did the show come into being? Because it wasn't just a script that went through a normal development cycle.