
Jennifer Ewbank
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Jun 10, 2026
Meet the CIA's Former Digital Chief
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That's O-D-O-O dot com.

Jennifer EwbankGUEST
Plus add into that next generation wireless communications and satellites and, you know, undersea sensors.
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T's and C's apply.
The Narrative Kill Chain
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10:24Jennifer EwbankGUEST
You know, audio, visual, um, uh, audio, video imagery, uh, a little bit on the text.
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10:31Jennifer EwbankGUEST
But, um, be- be- before I mention that the, the, because I went on, I was kind of long-winded, um, the two other things that converge, just for the context, and I, I encourage anyone who's interested to read both my article, but more interestingly, go back to the source documents, I think pretty interesting there.
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10:51Jennifer EwbankGUEST
And so the se- the other two things that one development and one condition that I thought, um, warranted highlighting this moment, the second one was the release of DeepSeek's, uh, V4 model, which came at the end of April, so around the same time that this report came out from, I'm talking about the narrative kill chain.
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11:11Jennifer EwbankGUEST
And, and what's interesting about that to me is that so open source model, um, which, um, allows use, um, at, at almost no cost, I mean, there's a little cost, but it's dramatically less expensive than frontier models here.
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11:30Jennifer EwbankGUEST
Um, the capabilities are, are pretty close by the benchmarks that I've seen.
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24:08Brad ChristianHOST
Is it time, in your opinion, that we have some sort of a change, whether that is brought forward by the government or other, some other body that is able to, in a smart, effective way, open Americans' eyes to the kinds of threats that we talk about at The Cipher Brief all the time, or are we not there yet? Is that a bridge too far?