i mean look

up and then there's the biblical part of it you know the new testament does not say what the old testament says and i truly believe that suicide is a brief moment and the and the psychologists that have interviewed the people that have survived They tell them that it was such an instantaneous thing.

It wasn't like this big plan.

It's not

So, um, If you're speaking to people who have been through the unthinkable, do you have particular words of advice or encouragement for them that you feel like have helped you the most?

Some of the things Joe has talked about, like the departure date, you know, and the fact that it's so unknown and you just don't get the warning signs, you know, Because Brody was as good mentally as I had seen him.

I mean, he'd been in rehab, but it had been a while, and he seemed so good.

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