I'd love for you to just share a little bit like what does that mean to you? And then can you paint a bit of a picture for us of when and how and why you first signed on to support David's campaign and how that fit in with that sort of movement mindset and what your goals were in that?

Sure.

I mean, I think it's probably useful to start by saying that I'm a leftist and I practice in a Buddhist tradition that is very focused on liberation.

And so those are two, you know, I really bring an abolitionist mindset to all of the work that I do.

And so for me, it's always about finding the ways to ameliorate the impacts of the unjust systems that we live within and then unwind those systems whenever possible.

And so one of the reasons I say I'm not an electoral person, it's also why, you know, don't tell all my friends this, but I'm not a socialist either, because I don't trust the state that much.

I feel like for me, we save each other.

Interested to hear just a bit about sort of your thoughts on what is the role of both local governance, local government, democratic participation in the big picture how do we how do we defeat these motherfucking fascists um and then also like specifically what you know i again i think the what zoron has done and shown has been very helpful to this long-term fighting fascism project how you see providence fitting into that