What was your path? You're now the CMO at PNC Bank, but where'd you get your start? What were some of the chapters along the way?

Yeah, well, we share a little bit of our background in that I started my professional career out of undergrad at Deloitte Consulting.

So I joined in the Boston office back in the day, I shan't say how long ago, but did the traditional tour through the junior analyst and consulting ranks.

which were really fantastic experience where you get a ton of exposure, a ton of access in those early kind of learning skills, but really tapped into something I didn't realize of my love of large scale problem solving.

And I think that's one of the fun parts about being in consulting is that you get to go into other clients and businesses and start to unpack What's the big problem? What's the big challenge? So I spent four years with Deloitte across health care, financial services, traveling all over.

And like any good consultant, got sick of planes, trains and automobiles and went back to business school.

So down to Duke and did my MBA at Fuqua, where I focused on finance and strategy.

let's talk about the work so it's got a tagline I guess for lack of a better way to describe it brilliantly boring and to talk about yourself in kind of like this self-deprecating way is one kind of funny for a bank but two like where did that Where'd that come from?

What was your path? You're now the CMO at PNC Bank, but where'd you get your start? What were some of the chapters along the way?

Yeah, well, we share a little bit of our background in that I started my professional career out of undergrad at Deloitte Consulting.

So I joined in the Boston office back in the day, I shan't say how long ago, but did the traditional tour through the junior analyst and consulting ranks.

which were really fantastic experience where you get a ton of exposure, a ton of access in those early kind of learning skills, but really tapped into something I didn't realize of my love of large scale problem solving.

And I think that's one of the fun parts about being in consulting is that you get to go into other clients and businesses and start to unpack What's the big problem? What's the big challenge? So I spent four years with Deloitte across health care, financial services, traveling all over.

And like any good consultant, got sick of planes, trains and automobiles and went back to business school.

So down to Duke and did my MBA at Fuqua, where I focused on finance and strategy.

let's talk about the work so it's got a tagline I guess for lack of a better way to describe it brilliantly boring and to talk about yourself in kind of like this self-deprecating way is one kind of funny for a bank but two like where did that Where'd that come from?

But like, where'd you get your start? What were kind of some of the chapters along the way?

Yeah, well, we share a little bit of our background in that I started my professional career out of undergrad at Deloitte Consulting.

So I joined in the Boston office back in the day, I shan't say how long ago, but did the traditional tour through the junior analyst and consulting ranks.

which were really fantastic experience where you get a ton of exposure, a ton of access in those early kind of learning skills, but really tapped into something I didn't realize of my love of large scale problem solving.

And I think that's one of the fun parts about being in consulting is that you get to go into other clients and businesses and start to unpack What's the big problem? What's the big challenge? So I spent four years with Deloitte across health care, financial services, traveling all over.

And like any good consultant, got sick of planes, trains and automobiles and went back to business school.

So down to Duke and did my MBA at Fuqua, where I focused on finance and strategy.

Um, how do you, like, as you step back and you maybe reflect or, or thought that other folks, like, how do you think about people and how do they become a great change agent for an organization?